I'm trying hard to keep an open mind, reading and studying positive psychology and uplifting messages that try to give hope and understanding, but its getting harder and harder to hear. For if Every time I use I think things will be different and every time they aren't but yet I keep using drugs and or alcohol, then that is insane. 4) You did not address even ONE item the writer presented and instead generalized "This article is complete garbage." ". As a therapist, even repetition compulsion, if opened up to insight can glean awareness and therefore help someone grow. Insane?! It is, quite frankly, the most offensively lazy animated movie in terms of humor that I've seen in ages. There's no "insane" diagnosis listed in the DSM. With the right (broad enough) brush we can easily interpret it as "insane" yet get a result that's patently not insane. Let's say you repeatedly get rejected. One day they’re gonna shut the game down. However why can we not use the argument of humans flying as above? Perhaps I should try joining Weight Watchers, attending group sessions, and establish a program of rewarding myself for desired behavior on a weekly basis with some small treat? This is perservence, trying different things to see what out of those actually has value. Ever hear of Thomas Edison and his thousands of failed experiments? i think the only important point made in this acticle is : if you're surrounded by a bunch of people who get all uptight about a simple idiom be sure to phrase is it "two of the definitions of insanity are doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results (and probably the third but again don't really feel like figuring out an example)". It's important to keep grieving, jogging and asking people for dates because these are areas of life that require some repetition and are quite sane. (An oversimplification but I think still accurate.) Edison tried thousands of combinations, which is the exact opposite of "repeating the same thing", which was Khazeem's entire point. When we get down far enough almost everything is immensely variable and therefore 'technically' you are not doing the same thing. I'm a part-to-whole fallacy of division label because... the article dissected a false premise with a false narrative. They take your basic survival instincts and use them against you to get you to conform to what they think should be right and wrong. No, it isn't. This is a limited edition. Have you given much thought to that communication, reasoning and critical thinking process you have! They say the definition of insanity is ...", "It's been a month and I'm still crying about his death. "I have had to eat my own words many times, and I have found it a very nourishing diet." It could be one sentence: "This quote does not intend to literally 'define' the word insane.". Q1) you do not perceive Edison's experiments as 'doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results' because you wish to include the idea that Edison 'always' changed the conditions of his experiments and They are absolutely NOT the same thing. Sure. I was looking for the real definition of insanity. Questioner may say, as does Dr. Phil, "so how's that workin' out for you?" Are you insane? Should I expect the outcome to be different this time? It’s an open invitation. I see all of you guys arguing about something so unbelievably stupid, so i have to do this. But if you suck at being hired (improper decorum, weird manners, or something people just don't like about you), setting yourself up for a cycle of abuse is not a healthy solution. Benjamin Franklin was one of the founding fathers of the United States of America as known today, but he was never once a POTUS. In the business world, a company that does not innovate (doing the same thing over and over) will not survive in a competitive environment. The Webster definition is Noun: the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness. Should I try the same tactics next January? We should be allowed to charge people like this writer who waste our time. On the other hand I try to speak very gently to my 3 year old daughter over and over again regardless of her sane or insane state of mind expecting that one day she would understand that being mad at things would never resolve issues, but again, this is education and that is not changing anything in her behavior, at least for now, she is 3 year old and I expect her to be nothing less or more than what she is. The author horribly misappropriates the original intent of the quote, which was not to "define" insanity, but to encourage innovative and creative problem solving instead of banging one's head against the wall. It's weekly therapy, consistent workouts and taking time for spirituality. This does NOT mean I should stop trying to lose weight -- what it means is that I need a new approach. THAT'S the original intent of the quote. People often 'repeat the same thing expecting a different result.'. So, you aren't using common sense. You said: Let's say I have a problem with my weight. In reality it comes back to the first point, to do something already termed "insane" by most will almost certainly result in that outcome. There isn't a need to delve into this any further. BTW, you had me for about 2 sentences until I realized this wasn't the quote source I would looking for. Perseveration feels compulsive, hopeless, helpless, automatic and unsatisfying. I think it can be extended to human behaviors when people do things harmful to themselves despite all evidence that they should stop doing it. 3) A misunderstanding of the principles of learned repetition "I keep telling him to go to AA." Each year for five years running I have tried to address this by making a New Year's resolution to go to the gym, workout, eat better and lose weight. "hobby?"...). If you repeat the exact same behavior you will not be following the scientific method, which is to try different things and see what happens. As you grow older the world takes this away from you. people where they always feel left out. The only way for us to realize this is to lose everything that we have, for until you have nothing you can not truely realize that you have everything. Furthermore how do we even delineate it? A little better than minimum wage. Nice to see these things defined, but I find the ensuing argument tiresome; I don't know that he originated it, but it is one of Dr. Phil's favorite lines, not literally defining insanity, but quick way to demonstrate that repeating an action continuously in the same manner, expecting that one will achieve a specific different result is delusional, and not in sync with reality. When you were inside your mother you had no fears, no worries, no doubts or concerns. To be clear, insanity is a legal term pertaining to a defendant's ability to determine right from wrong when a crime is committed. What makes it so hard is not that you had it bad, but that you're that pissed that so many others had it good. ‘You have a bunch of bad hombres down there. A persistent quest against a fear or toward a goal is often the best course of action. I'm pretty sure Einstein came way before you did so I guess I believe that with the psychologists are saying insanity is totally wrong Einstein was the one that came up with what do you call someone that does the same thing over and over again and expect different results and besides you guys can't even help a depressed people so give me a break you guys know s*** and your definition of normal is garbage go back to school and learn some history before making up your own crap thank you for reading thank you for listening and thanks for posting that question yours truly your friend Jason, You're absolutely right. They say the definition of insanity is ...". Bad Day at Black Rock is a 1955 film, which combines elements of Westerns and film noir, about a one-armed stranger who comes to a small town. In this lifetime, you don't have to prove nothin' to nobody - except yourself. Thus the leadership of that company must lack common sense (insanity). Proven is the key word there that was left completely out of the article and is readily assumed by anyone using the quote properly. People are so bad at driving cars that computers don't have to be that good to be much better. For example, the job hunt. That person is a Dr. so since they went to school for 7 years they know more about your own body than your own body knows about itself, so if you don't listen to what they tell you you are going to die. You need to listen to your own heart as to what is right for you and wrong for you. Yet with different events and criteria we find that by doing the exact opposite of this quote have we advanced. We all grow. Not that the action, or the person is insane, but that the delusional notion that repeating the same action, and expecting that someday, if it is done often enough, or with enough vigor, results will differ, is a waste of time, and seldom leads to emotional growth, or a satisfying outcome. At the end of the day, I still believe this "quaint expression" has merit. You either evolve or you disappear.” 21. Finally someone exposing the INSANITY of this quote... Really...wow, I'm like so insanely awestruck. Insanity is trying to change people through means that have been shown NOT to work. “You’re the first boy I ever kissed, Jake, and I want you to be the last.” ~ Sweet Home Alabama. Four years ago, something terrible happened here. Let's not confuse perseveration with perseverance. It's a complete distortion of what is true. They control you through the fear that they are controled by. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior. That would be insane. I'm 16 and you're giving me a migraine. ;-). Bad Day at Black Rock is a 1955 film, which combines elements of Westerns and film noir, about a one-armed stranger who comes to a small town.The town's inhabitants possess a terrible past they want to keep secret, by violent means if necessary. Or Mother Theresa tirelessly serving the poor. This article is straight up pointless. What's happened is that a famous person (Einstein) made a statement and people have been quoting it for generations, without realizing that what they are saying simply ISN'T true. You Grow. No -- I should not. While stipulating that Einstein perhaps didn't say it, if he did he was commenting on the then-new & controversial theories in Quantum Physics, which all include what's known as a Probability Function, basically obliterating what had been universally-accepted science. Everything that is right for me is not going to be everything that is right for you. And yes it is specific & explicit that under precisely exact initial conditions, multiple valid outcomes will occur as the experiment is repeated. There's also the psychodynamic construct called repetition compulsion where people unconsciously repeat past conflicts in an attempt at mastery. THIS here is the definition of insanity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nXjcMlX8oE. The truth is that we draw that line and it is a line that is subjective. For the real issues facing unemployed workers, adjusting one’s outlook by well intended self-help speeches, is like giving a tire wrench to an Eskimo that needs to find a fish to eat. i guess really this article just seems misdirected to me. You love everything by instinct. and if you feel the need to berate me for my grammar feel free. Dr. Jennifer Howard It's important to keep grieving, jogging and asking people for dates because these are … And it's different for every person. You can't, or refuse to, realize this simple concept. Perseverance in failed behavior is not. Someone who actually questions and thinks, among a sea of sheeple floating wherever the wind of memes take them! Politics... You need to pick a side, if you don't you will always lose. It creates low self-esteem and affects my life negatively in many ways. This is not as minutely measurable but it is still a singular concept...just one painted with a broader brush. Q3) you believe my response to Khazeem was a "rant", and Feel good psychology, is starting to wear thin. (And no transistors, smart phones etc without Quantum Physics btw). "The addition of "failed method" makes an assumptive addition to the original quote. not to make money and pay bills and all that. Its also contextual, no doubt attempting to fly was 'insane' in its time? Mike Lowrey: It's $105,000 and this happens to be one of the fastest production cars on the planet. I gotta have as much fun and go around the board as many times as I can before it’s my turn to leave.” 20. Insanity? and look around, you're like, Oh, my God, I wish all these people were replaced by computer drivers. As soon as you were born you gained your first two fears. Or extreme foolishness or irrationality. before making assumptive/guessing remarks as in "only show that it is you that don't understand" and "If Edison had done exactly the same thing" and "he would not have invented anything. People often 'repeat the same thing expecting a different result.' But even if they do succeed today, it doesn't erase the pain from the past. Perseverance is a strong, valuable quality. What he suggested is unnatural for many people, plowing ahead despite failures. Adlai E. Stevenson once said: “My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular.” Is that the true definition of a free society? Ever hear of Thomas Edison and his thousands of failed experiments?". You see with the standard human view on time you aren't even in my world at the same time as I am in yours, for I am writing this at a different time than you are reading it. Yet the essence is that we tried over and over again to fly - something we couldn't (and can't) naturally do yet despite hundreds of years of failure (and all the evidence that provides) we still expected a different result! The world is a giant deception, and human beings have so much more power than they realize. I agree 100% with this reply. Second, it is disingenuous at best and downright ignorant and insensitive to people with real mental health challenges to throw a statement around like this, and... Third, its not accurate, either. Instead of just jogging and seeing no or negative results, maybe that person should clean up their diet and add in a more vigorous workout regiment. You will hear this phrase in Al-Anon meetings, when someone says : Do You Have a Fear of Commitment? The Internet, Suicide, & How Sites Like PostSecret Can Help, "I've asked out two women and been shot down both times, and you know the definition of insanity...", "I jogged for a week and actually gained weight. Don't let a quaint saying blur this distinction. Its not "insanity" to expect a different result in that case, its a lack of knowledge...or the inability to assimilate the knowledge that may quite literally be smacking you in the face. Love to you my brother. Really dude? THIS DEFINITON HELPS PEOPLE TO BREAK DENIAL and is therefore important when used in the right context. because i know if i do, stephen king will bring my book. You said Edison's thousands of light bulb experiments was an example of "repeating the same thing expecting the same result", which is an absolutely terrible example. The world and the people of the world tell you how to live your life. Or someone working to systematically overcome shyness, build healthier habits or communicate better with their spouse. You are an MBA trying to find a job where you will bring home at least $300 a week. In almost every case we only know it is "insane" already because it has been tested repeatedly and found to be so. And, yes, that was a random absurd example, but my point is that I think I may understand a little of what you were saying. i know if i go to work he will walk in with my book. Whoever said that the definition of insanity was to repeat the same action over and over, each time expecting a different result was probably just making a point. Each year, I have started out well -- hit the gym 3x a week and lost several pounds. By dealing directly with the fears and anxiety the behaviors can often, at the very least, soften. They're all trying to finally conquer some old feelings of rejection. That would fall into the latter definition "or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior". If it makes anyone feel better, I'm sure insanity, in it's "true" definition doesn't exist in the real world anyway. It's a 12-stepper taking it "one day at a time." If you think differently, I'm sorry but your medical degree would have been better written on toilet paper. Jay : Well, yeah, you know, 'cause 'cause he never appreciated you anyway. The catchy saying has gathered steam in the past few years (example I, II, III), and regardless of the source, it's gotten a lot of mileage. 1) I see you missed pointing out the I used the incorrect punctuation at the end of my question: "Have you given much thought to that communication, reasoning and critical thinking process you have!". Either way, this makes you an idiot. How Supplements Can Improve Your Sleep Rhythm, Lying to Die: Why Narcissists May Lie About Their Health. Q5) you would like us to agree that your of me being an "idiot" is a valid logical implication of your "scientific conclusion" and not a part-to-whole fallacy of division label? I've got nothing to hide...It's just that you worry about the stranger only if you look at him from a certain aspect. It appears to be great for lecturers whipping up a crowd, or to say to get an article published nowadays, but for many people, especially those like me the unemployed kind of like to hear this stuff. I hope you enjoy friendly ribbing! I took the quote quite literally when I heard it. Edison's "thousands of failed experiments" would only support your argument of people often repeating the same thing expecting a different result if Edison had tried the exact same experiment in the exact same conditions over and over again. It is far from thoughtful OR informative. Why Is Everyone Talking About Journaling? When I got clean 23 years ago I was told "The definition of insanity is". Melvin Udall: Well, I work all the time. This is the most important thing that I can tell you. The author is trying to address the misuse of the word "insanity.". As for the quote "The definition of insanity is...," I was an addict(Cocaine, Pot) for many years. The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly. How to Talk to Children and Teens About Mental Illness, You Can't Use 100% of Your Brain—and That’s a Good Thing. A new theory aims to make sense of it all. Here’s my invitation to all that offer insights on how getting your mind right, will change your circumstances. Oh, my comments sounds revolutionary and non-conventional and sounds almost anti-American. “It seems like every time you come up I think Laila stated it well for psychology and Khazeem Asadullah for the hard science side. It's just a quote. Get the help you need from a therapist near you–a FREE service from Psychology Today. And that's how its done. They teach you what someone else taught them. What’s the New Phenomenon Called “COVID Vaccine Arm”? If it wasn't funny the first time, it's not gonna be funny the fifth time. Bravo! Another person may ask "How long have you been telling him?". I saw your comment, real and gritty, and then read the comments following, expecting some response to your heart felt statement, only to find professionals and apparently learned people hairsplitting over whether Edison used gnat hair or tungsten in order to gain a different result. 3) The fallicious arguments using ad_hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) attacks are at the very least and non-sequitors. You cannot claim insanity plea if you know what you did was wrong but you still did it even if you are clinically considered insane, for there is a difference between clinical insanity and legal insanity definition. Another thing I REALLY hate is when people call DID (Multiple Personality) "schizophrenia". 'The definition of the word insanity could be doing the same thing and expecting a different result' This definition is actually referring to compulsive behaviours and orginates from Alcoholics Anonymous. Yes I DO "think" and RESEARCH... and No Edison did not "do the exact same experiment" using the "exact same combinations"!!! Perseveration is a troubling issue needing clinical attention. If you don't follow these rules you will go to hell, or you won't receive this when you get to where ever you are going. If people use it to describe jogging it's misunderstood. Someone can lead you to your truth but can never accept that as truth for you. This is all true from a rational mathematical perspective. And Einstein would agree whole-heartedly since this is the very essence of repeated experiments. 1) Not of the origin people have assumed For you will not connect to that which created you through external sources, but only thorugh yourself. Probably not, but you certainly aren't thinking clearly. 21. The legal definition as for in court- is whether you know right from wrong. Psychology? Q6) Can you tell us more about the specific methodologies that you apply to reach your "scientific conclusion"? Although you may think that behaving in the way described is crazy, it's not the DEFINITION of insanity. Should You Worry About How Delusional You Are? it didn't happen at first which bothered me, so i wasn't paying attention to what i was doing and didn't finish my tasks for the day. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Some examples: The definition of insanity doesn't have anything to do with jogging. Your response your anger, misdirection and need to be "Anonymous". They repeat words and tasks or try repeatedly to solve problems, but are left frustrated and unsatisfied. It's not clear who said it first, but according to at least one blogger it's "the dumbest thing a smart person ever said." Yeah yeah years late, but amazed only one comment seems to reference Quantum Physics. It is not that the definition of insanity is, rather it is insane to do the same thing over and over expecting something different to happen. Especially, when you quote a famous president that seems to backup your premise. It may be much more helpful if you check your FACTS and HISTORY ("And that's how its done.") This medication is the only way to stop what is going on or to extend your life. By the way, this is not an ad hominem attack, it's a scientific conclusion. "Listen here old bean, we've been trying to build these 'flying contraptions' for quite some time now, you keep expecting to fly but even that euro chap Da Vinci couldn't crack it so lets bin this folly and really get stuck in to this phrenology marvel"!! I found it applicable in the realm of human behavior in addiction. !How are you now!!?? If Edison had done exactly the same thing thousands of times we would not even know his name today and he would not have invented anything. now, would you say that i have problems distinguishing fantasy from reality? If you think something 'magical' is going to arise from no progress, then good luck saving lives. There for what you create is as much a part of you as you are a part of what you create. You might find this quote appropriate after reading my below reply. You have been programmed from birth to think and feel a certain way about everything in life. You aren’t doing enough to stop them. Keep your head in the books, you should lay low on the whole 'free thought' thing...or write what you think on a piece of paper, and throw it in the garbage. Q7) Would you like us to understand the fear you that makes you hide behind the name "Anonymous2"? Nothing! i dont have to have a job for mr. king to come. To do these over and over again is an extremely detailed and precisely measured small event and its definition fits this. Proven is the key word there that was left completely out of the article and is readily assumed by anyone using the quote properly. [It may well be but its about as well reasoned as saying "grass is green therefore the definition of 'green' is...grass]. You truely need to forget everything that you were lead to believe and start to discover the truth on your own. Please please please, go back to history class before you make yourself look stupider than you already look with your rather snarky and cynical comment. exposes both your bias and ignor-ance. I want to be better. If you are treating patients using transorbital lobotomy in this day and age, then that is a perfect example of insanity using THIS VERY QUOTE! Remember were created by something and that something is a part of you as you are a part of whatever it is that you believe created you. Use phone, or email to get in touch with potential job leads. 2) Not the true definition of "Insanity" You do what you feel is right. Now if I eat a cake because I feel rubbish and that leads me to feel better for 5 minutes and worse for the rest of the time and I keep doing it daily, year after year, expecting each time that it might comfort me when all evidence shows it's ruining my life..I may lose ,y health which will lead me maybe to lose my job etc.. Einstein's other famous quote doubting Quantum Physics was "God does not play dice with the universe", Same input, different outcome. People who have been trained to think well and for themselves can easily see through your attempt. The fact of the matter is, it IS complete insanity in business to keep doing the same failed method expecting a different result. You have taken this quote too literally. You need to remember that though we live on the same planet, no two human beings live in the same world. i feel there is a similar problem with the example of repitition compulsion, but i don't really feel like figuring out the best way to say it so oh well. Thank you for your fuller explanation, examples of types of repetition and finally exposing this quote for what it really is!!! Just as you create something with your hands that evolved from your thoughts, that thing will always be a part of your thoughts and a part of your thoughts will always be a part of your creation. clearly no one can involuntarily perform an action and expect any result, it's involuntary! Or a woman who feels it's always her duty to invite her selection of apathetic friends to socialize. May every day that you live be blessed with love and grace. Repeating the same constructive behavior over and over, hoping (one day) for a positive result is difficult but virtuous. If I point it out to my clients and work with what arises, it has value. Most of modern theoritical, quantum (and classic) physics would have been abandoned some time ago if we could not prove the negative of the expected result. You were no longer protected by your mothers body and that which once shielded your from sound and litteraly supported your every cell. Any time you stand in line at the D.M.V. By repeating the exact same thing (with zero deviation in any factor) over and over again we do produce a result...a negative is a "result" in as many ways as a positive can be. The definition of insanity has nothing to do with a lack of common sense. $80,000 for this car and you ain't got no damn cup holder? But did she make a point? It doesn't hold up over time. Perseverance: steady persistence in a course of action in spite of difficulties, obstacles, or discouragement. Sorry, my bad. You should definitely have something to do, just as you should definitely have someone to love in life. Another complete UNTRUTH. I do however hate this quote and thank the author for if nothing else bringing the spotlight of debate to its existence and reasoning. I mean repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result may well be insane (putting aside the argument as to what the definition of 'insane' is...) but in no way does that mean it is the definition of it!
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